Good Eggfood Recepe

Here is a good very nutritional, healthy egg food which is tasty to the birds, and a bit cheaper for your budget.

Purchase an inexpensive chopper from Wal-Mart for around $15. and thaw out a package of frozen broccoli, and boil your eggs in advance.

Hard boil the number of eggs for the quantity of your birds. You can freeze the extra food, so I would make enough to last a while. I boil the whole dozen eggs at a time. I boil them lightly for 1 hour, but my sister says they do not need to be boiled that long.

Purchase an inexpensive chopper from Wal-Mart for about $15.00, or chop your own eggs to a very fine consistency.

thaw out a handful of frozen broccoli or frozen carrots. For a dozen eggs, I use 1/2 bag. Chop these in the same chopper, or grade to a very fine size.

The mixture you have will be way too moist and gluey for the birds. Add bread crumbs or commercial egg food, vitamins, and calcium (especially for females during the breeding season). I use Orlux or Cede egg food because they have a good reputation. Petamine is sometimes locally available. I sprinkle the vitamins s on top and must admit that I don't measure them. I sprinkle a bit heavier than I would salt and pepper. Mix everything together, and add small amounts of big food until the mixture is light and fluffy, rather like cake crumbs or fluffy rice.

I put the food in Yogurt cups, cover them and freeze them and use them as needed. Throughout the year I give all my birds finger cups, treat cops, one a day. My birds eat it right away, and the quantity is small enough that it will never have time to spoil. When I am raising babies, how ever, I use larger sized cups and change them at least three times a day. More often than that is just fine, as canaries like to pick over something fresh and new. I think more often encourages the birds to feed their babies better any food that's left, I'd give to the other birds, but here be careful to use finger cups so the other birds quickly attack their finger cup before it has time to become recent. Food should not sit around more then ½ day, if it has the slightest hint of a spoiled odor, it could make the birds very Il, or even worse. Make sure the food all we smells fresh and tasty..



Working Toward a Completely Discontinuous Timbrado Song


Working Toward a Completely Discontinuous Timbrado Song


I wish I could read Spanish because I think that if I could, I could better understand the liquid state that the timbrado continues to be going through in Spain. I should like to try to explain the situation as I understand it. Perhaps continued interest in this topic can help us with our work on the beautiful song of these birds. As I understand it, the timbrado in Spain has divided into at least two different groups and possibly more variations of both of these. As I understand, there is the original type of timbrado, with a flurry of activity centered around Madrid, with a unique voice quality, as well as unique vocabulary. Long timbers, and unique variations of many of the Notes which can be compared to traditional European birds, but with this unique voice quality which has been labeled timbrado -- named after an old-fashioned doorbell which I still don't recognize even though I'm old-fashioned. This is the bird that has become popular in America and which timbrado breeders are more or less familiar with. Admittedly, it is a lovely singer. I believe these are now called Classics in Spain and America is also beginning to use that word. However, a while after this bird had been established, someone named Drove discovered in a rural area in Spain, a singing style which he thought was more in line with the "canary of the country" that had been described centuries ago. I hope I understand correctly, that this bird is rapidly becoming the bird of choice in Spain, while the classic timbrado continues also to have its aficionados.


the bird song described hundreds of years ago was described as having notes similar to both the linnet and the Nightingale, birds which we don't have here, but which we may have heard recordings of. This description is what caused Mr. Drove to become interested in the songs he was hearing. These birds sometimes have no timbre or minimum timbre, as little of the ever present "ch" sound of the canaries that we are used to, and an abundance of complex notes which we now call flourishes. The song of these birds are also called discontinuous, and to my ear are in contrast to he classic type of song, now called continuous.


Describing the two kinds of song is most difficult, and the best way to learn them is through song files uploaded to the internet. As this song winds more and more converts in Spain, there are a lot of song files on the internet. The song files are the method par excellance for learning which is now open the world, Everyone in the world now can hear the wide range of song and this wonderful resource is now the "only way to go".


How can two such different sounding songs be reconciled? I think that there is an answer. Rather than becoming attracted to either extreme, (I must confess that I'm attracted to as discontinuous, or florid as possible) the whole range in between is acceptable to timbrado breeders. That would mean that there is a whole continuum between the two ends. I have heard classic songs that are really very lovely indeed, and someone recently sent me a file of a lovely classic sounding bird. The result is that we can call our birds classic, intermediate, and discontinuous, which covers the entire range, but with a unique voice quality which is call timbrado.


Does this mean that we are free to choose any song we like? Cross with Waterslagers or rollers? American singers? This is very frowned on by any dedicated timbrado singer, although it has been done, it remains most frowned on. There is a unique quality to the entire continuum, and again, the best way to learn the quality is to listen to the many sound files on the internet. By the way, contrary to rumors, I would never cross a timbrado with another bird. this is to be looked upon as "playing with fire" and breeders that do this should not call the offspring timbrados.


There is another option, I believe. through the discussion groups and blogs and other internet resources, like minded people can band together and form "teams" where we can be part of a small group of people working together with a certain liked spectrum of the timbrado song. I've been lucky to belong to a group of bird breeders, allowing me to work with a team of local breeders, all working toward a common end. Birds shared by a team are more easily exchanged and shared, talked about, and enjoyed. I understand that this is also being done in Spain, and "teams" are exchanging birds for free or at a very minimal price. this allows for a bigger genetic pool, and sharing of ideas. If that's possible, it's a wonderful resource, and worth working for.


I have learned more from Spanish breeders, and, just as everything above is just skimmed over, so is everything below. I'm attempting to just scan topics which require much more learning, through books, articles, and friends. this is just a scan, just touching on the various ideas. Below are a few more, just skimmed over.


More and more breeders in Spain are using a training technique which is in contrast to the usual training method for young males in America and Europe. Rather than "training" young males under a tutor, the young birds are kept as far from mature singers or even other species. There is sound reasoning for this. The canary is a very creative and talented singer, and left to their own creations, the songs they can invent is really a fascination for breeders in Spain. Young birds are kept in groups to slow down their song until they are more mature, around the end of October or November, then males are put in their own cages, with their more mature voices, to create their own songs. The results are spectacular. These birds are amazing and the proof is in the sound files! Listen to them to see the endless creativity of these birds! There is also another sound reason. Those youngsters with the best genes are more evidently revealed by this method. I think the payoff is evident by listening to sound files of these birds.


If this method is used, November through January is the time to listen, listen, listen, and to select which birds you want to keep and which birds are to be shared with a team or bred, and which birds are to be put on the market. Remember, if you have done all this work, you qualify to have the best of the youngsters. Most people won't work this hard, but in the name of the best song, this works! Timbrados seem to be excellent breeders, so you are likely to have plenty of birds in a few years!


Still more: After you have selected the best singers, a certain amount of line breeding or inbreeding is done... very carefully. Remember that weaknesses as well as strengths are passed on. This should only be done for a few generations, as weaknesses can begin to show up. There must also be a plan for out crossing. I have a computer breeding program to help me decide line breeding or inbreeding. I don't know where this will lead yet for myself.


I hope I have laid out some of the major elements of the timbrado landscape, and now I wish to say more about the discontinuous song, or the floreado type of bird. There are tensions both in Spain and America over this, and I'm thinking that the way to handle this is to call it a matter of taste. I don't think the two extremes reconcile easily, and time alone will help to settle this. I know that I have heard beautiful continuous birds, and am happy to know that the newer standard of judging song can cover the whole range, and that the best singers can be anywhere in between. Still, I'm happy in thinking that a song as discontinuous as possible is where I wish to work, and in the mean time, I can love the birds I have. There is unlikely to ever be a finished bird, just as the work for the perfect rose, or the ideal orchid, or the loveliest German Shepherd (or potbelly pig, I have one). Welcome always to the world of the timbrado!


Resources: One of the sites that has particularly excellent sound files is www.timbrado.com. I have also tried to give more information at http://www.cwwcbc.us/tk/index.html and http://spanishtimbrado.blogspot.com .






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Google Blog Search: timbrado

I don't know if this page will load properly, but I just did a blogger search of timbrado and find everything to be in Spanish. Does this mean that only the Spanish are blogging about Timbrados? (of course my blog is in English and shows up as the first entry, probably because of language. The only Blog? Look at all the Spanish blogging.



Comments on The Newest Song Files

Hi friends: I´m really glad to offer you the song of two really good Timbrados from pure floreado (discontinuous) stock bred this year by my friends Rovira and Obeso from Cantabria, a Northern Spanish Region. They are the birds “son 1” and “son 2” that you can listen at http://www.cwwcbc.us/tk/FolderOne.htm They are sons of the bird called “cadiz” mated with the same hen, so they are full brothers. If this is so why do they sound so different? They certainly sing pretty disimilar repertoires and , also, quite different from their father and they are a good example of the kind of work done in Spain to select birds. Many Spanish breeders try to work basically with the genetic pool of their birds, that´s to say, they avoid any teaching to the young chicks and these are isolated from any song as soon as they can eat by themselves. The unsexed youngsters are placed in flight cages, a cage for each group of siblings, and they will stay there till their song almost reach maturity. In these environment each group of brothers discovers its own genetic song and an accurate selection can be done. In this particular case the first two chicks were born in February and both of them were males. They were placed in a separate room when they were 35 days old. The second clutch came quite late, in June, two more chicks also males and at this point the birds born in February were quite ahead in their development. If my friends had proceeded as usually and placed all the brothers together for sure the four of them had ended with a very similar song, mainly the song of the bigger brothers. But these chicks are the outcome of an outcross and in this kind of crosses important genetic differences among brothers can be expected. Trying to discover these differences they placed the two small brothers in another different room, also completely isolated. And this is the outcome. Both males have a quality song, and this is a great sign of their parents genetic potential, but if any of them has to be chosen “son 2” has a much more slowed down song and a larger repertoire. And a very important conclussion: if we work with a good stock of Timbrado two young males are enough to build a song as elaborated and beautiful as you can listen here. For more information in English check http://www.cwwcbc.us/tk/index.html http://www.timbrado.com/articulosx.shtml Regards to all ---------------------------------LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yet More Types of Song Canaries

Home Page For more sound files and more information on German Rollers, Belgium Waterslagers, and song canaries generally, please go to the link above. Sebastian has worked out a link to the rest of the song birds. To admit my prejudices, prejudice is a bad word, but taste is not a bad word, I might say that I had a roller. A roller would not do in an average household with noisy children, barking dogs, vacuum cleaners or loud TV or Radio, I would say. Also, the song is way too "cultured" to sound like a bird to me. However, am I saying something bad? I don't think so, unless I use rude words. I can hear that the roller is highly developed and I can fully understand anyone making a lifelong project of them. How about waterslager? Well, I like the waterslager more than the roller. It's notes, if I've read correctly, are much more varied, and to me interesting, but not as highly perfected as a roller. I guess the roller can be judged very, very scientifically, and the waterslager has more room for taste, but I just remember reading that somewhere.

Anyway, there are soundfiles here to help you understand the different breeds. Me, I shall be most happy with the timbrado, and more exclusively, the discontinuous notes of the floreado. If you are still forming your taste, opinions, and prejudices, stick around here! I shall continue my work!

Thanks to Sebastian for his website with it's interesting twists and turns. Sebastian is now breeding Floreados, by the way, or as close as we can get to them in America, if I'm right.



More on the American Singer, from Lluis

Ah ha, I knew that I could hear the roller in the American Singer song. It makes me happy whenever I'm right. I love being right. Here is really good reading on canaries from Luis... Roller, and timbrado. I think I should move on and touch upon Waterslagger (spelled?) and Roller. It's cool to know canary song generally. I think maybe even find a bit on the wild canary. Of course, wild canaries of today would not sound exactly the same as they did hundreds of years ago when the Spanish started breeding them.

From Luis:
Hi friends:
Thinking about American Singer song there´s an interesting subject to consider. American Singer is a blend between Border canary and Roller (33% Border, 66% Roller). Border is an ancient English race known since the XVIII Century but probably much older. A very interesting thing about Border song is its closeness to wild canary song, the general tone of his song is higher than Roller or Waterslager and Borders usually develop quite a lot of warbling like notes and what we know in Timbrado as flourishes. Probably this is because is one of the few races without or with very little influence of Saxon ancestors, root of Roller, Waterslager and most of form races. In a certain sense, also because of his voice, Border is very close to certain lines of Spanish Timbrado.

American Singer Canary Song Info

American Singer Canary Song Info Sebastian Vallelunga [Sebastian.Vallelunga@shcp.edu] sent me an email which very much helped me, and if you go to the link above, you can hear the American Singer for yourself, which would be an excellent idea, should you be deciding which type of singing canary is for you. This is most definitely to be seen as a matter of taste and preference, as discussed earlier. It is not a matter of best and second best. I have all along made my preference clear, and have named both the web site and this blog.

I've been thinking of the comments I made below on the American Singer, to find out that it is not completely correct. There is room at judging contests for the American Singer. Yet, I remember reading the comments I've made, and I can leave them there, Am I right that that is among the struggles with the American Singer? Work with Timbrados is just as incomplete, and probably each individual person with each breed has a slightly different taste. Yet, Dog breeders would never (I hope never) mix breeds as wished to make another breed, although the most famous German Shepherd, and other breeds have begun just that way, and I know that in Germany some crossing with German Sheeping dogs to strengthen a breed which was weakened by too much inbreeding, together with the devastation caused to German dogs from World War II. So, there are truly no absolute laws, balanced with the need for the standard that is being yet in liquid form, but becoming ever more of a "gel". This is as essential to song as it is for any other feature.

All being said (and more) I shall continue to praise the event of the internet and the sound files to use as a magnificent tool for learning and thinking. Please remember that anyone can comment on any post, which should be used to broaden and clarify and become part of good work to have the most beautiful singing bird in the world!

The work goes on! Oh... And if you want to have posting privileges, please ask me, I can invite you to have posting privileges. Don't forget that you can always comment, of course, being friends. There could be no good reason to not be friends, but on the other hand, each of us has a right to have very strong opinions. Right?

I don't know if I clearly said, that the link above has files of the song of the American Singer. Listen to them.

I know there are also sites for the Waterslagger and the Roller. I think I shall put up links to those birds, also... A nice way to get a sense of the total picture, maybe to be compared with going to a Canary Show!

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