Timbrado Floreado Song

Hi friends: I´m really glad to offer you the song of two really good Timbrados from pure floreado (discontinuous) stock bred this year by my friends Rovira and Obeso from Cantabria, a Northern Spanish Region. They are the birds “son 1” and “son 2” that you can listen at http://www.cwwcbc.us/tk/FolderOne.htm They are sons of the bird called “cadiz” mated with the same hen, so they are full brothers. If this is so why do they sound so different? They certainly sing pretty disimilar repertoires and , also, quite different from their father and they are a good example of the kind of work done in Spain to select birds. Many Spanish breeders try to work basically with the genetic pool of their birds, that´s to say, they avoid any teaching to the young chicks and these are isolated from any song as soon as they can eat by themselves. The unsexed youngsters are placed in flight cages, a cage for each group of siblings, and they will stay there till their song almost reach maturity. In these environment each group of brothers discovers its own genetic song and an accurate selection can be done. In this particular case the first two chicks were born in February and both of them were males. They were placed in a separate room when they were 35 days old. The second clutch came quite late, in June, two more chicks also males and at this point the birds born in February were quite ahead in their development. If my friends had proceeded as usually and placed all the brothers together for sure the four of them had ended with a very similar song, mainly the song of the bigger brothers. But these chicks are the outcome of an outcross and in this kind of crosses important genetic differences among brothers can be expected. Trying to discover these differences they placed the two small brothers in another different room, also completely isolated. And this is the outcome. Both males have a quality song, and this is a great sign of their parents genetic potential, but if any of them has to be chosen “son 2” has a much more slowed down song and a larger repertoire. And a very important conclussion: if we work with a good stock of Timbrado two young males are enough to build a song as elaborated and beautiful as you can listen here. For more information in English check http://www.cwwcbc.us/tk/index.html http://www.timbrado.com/articulosx.shtml Regards to all ---------------------------------LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Home Page For more sound files and more information on German Rollers, Belgium Waterslagers, and song canaries generally, please go to the link above. Sebastian has worked out a link to the rest of the song birds. To admit my prejudices, prejudice is a bad word, but taste is not a bad word, I might say that I had a roller. A roller would not do in an average household with noisy children, barking dogs, vacuum cleaners or loud TV or Radio, I would say. Also, the song is way too "cultured" to sound like a bird to me. However, am I saying something bad? I don't think so, unless I use rude words. I can hear that the roller is highly developed and I can fully understand anyone making a lifelong project of them. How about waterslager? Well, I like the waterslager more than the roller. It's notes, if I've read correctly, are much more varied, and to me interesting, but not as highly perfected as a roller. I guess the roller can be judged very, very scientifically, and the waterslager has more room for taste, but I just remember reading that somewhere.

Anyway, there are soundfiles here to help you understand the different breeds. Me, I shall be most happy with the timbrado, and more exclusively, the discontinuous notes of the floreado. If you are still forming your taste, opinions, and prejudices, stick around here! I shall continue my work!

Thanks to Sebastian for his website with it's interesting twists and turns. Sebastian is now breeding Floreados, by the way, or as close as we can get to them in America, if I'm right.

Ah ha, I knew that I could hear the roller in the American Singer song. It makes me happy whenever I'm right. I love being right. Here is really good reading on canaries from Luis... Roller, and timbrado. I think I should move on and touch upon Waterslagger (spelled?) and Roller. It's cool to know canary song generally. I think maybe even find a bit on the wild canary. Of course, wild canaries of today would not sound exactly the same as they did hundreds of years ago when the Spanish started breeding them.

From Luis:
Hi friends:
Thinking about American Singer song there´s an interesting subject to consider. American Singer is a blend between Border canary and Roller (33% Border, 66% Roller). Border is an ancient English race known since the XVIII Century but probably much older. A very interesting thing about Border song is its closeness to wild canary song, the general tone of his song is higher than Roller or Waterslager and Borders usually develop quite a lot of warbling like notes and what we know in Timbrado as flourishes. Probably this is because is one of the few races without or with very little influence of Saxon ancestors, root of Roller, Waterslager and most of form races. In a certain sense, also because of his voice, Border is very close to certain lines of Spanish Timbrado.

American Singer Canary Song Info Sebastian Vallelunga [Sebastian.Vallelunga@shcp.edu] sent me an email which very much helped me, and if you go to the link above, you can hear the American Singer for yourself, which would be an excellent idea, should you be deciding which type of singing canary is for you. This is most definitely to be seen as a matter of taste and preference, as discussed earlier. It is not a matter of best and second best. I have all along made my preference clear, and have named both the web site and this blog.

I've been thinking of the comments I made below on the American Singer, to find out that it is not completely correct. There is room at judging contests for the American Singer. Yet, I remember reading the comments I've made, and I can leave them there, Am I right that that is among the struggles with the American Singer? Work with Timbrados is just as incomplete, and probably each individual person with each breed has a slightly different taste. Yet, Dog breeders would never (I hope never) mix breeds as wished to make another breed, although the most famous German Shepherd, and other breeds have begun just that way, and I know that in Germany some crossing with German Sheeping dogs to strengthen a breed which was weakened by too much inbreeding, together with the devastation caused to German dogs from World War II. So, there are truly no absolute laws, balanced with the need for the standard that is being yet in liquid form, but becoming ever more of a "gel". This is as essential to song as it is for any other feature.

All being said (and more) I shall continue to praise the event of the internet and the sound files to use as a magnificent tool for learning and thinking. Please remember that anyone can comment on any post, which should be used to broaden and clarify and become part of good work to have the most beautiful singing bird in the world!

The work goes on! Oh... And if you want to have posting privileges, please ask me, I can invite you to have posting privileges. Don't forget that you can always comment, of course, being friends. There could be no good reason to not be friends, but on the other hand, each of us has a right to have very strong opinions. Right?

I don't know if I clearly said, that the link above has files of the song of the American Singer. Listen to them.

I know there are also sites for the Waterslagger and the Roller. I think I shall put up links to those birds, also... A nice way to get a sense of the total picture, maybe to be compared with going to a Canary Show!

Please click on the link. It is a excellent description of the variety of canary song. Pleas go down about 2/3 of the page, where there is description of a standard for judging timbrado song. I'm hoping that with Luis' help to come to some agreement on judging our birds.

If anyone knows much about the "American Singer", I hope I can get some description of that. I'm not sure of myself, and would like to learn (here would be fun, I can also try the web). My understanding of the American Singer is that there never has been the consensus needed to make the song of the American Singer genetic. For that reason, I hope, if I remember, the American singer has never become a songbird that could be accepted for judging. All song ideas = no song ideas? I'm going to try to get a sense of the American Singer before moving on to the timbrado. The important things I learn, I hope to put here. Then, with some clear ideas of the chart (printed clearly on the link) we will see the need for standards. Work which has already been clarified, enabling us to come to understand song which can be in alignment.

For example, imagine one person loving the shepherd dog, and another loving the red colors of the Irish setter, another, loving the group hunting behavior of hunting dogs, and, ridiculously, one person loving the Chowowa/sp and another loving the great Dane. Put them all together, breed them, and your dog will be a mutt, having none of the qualities of any of the breed. Is that a description of the American Singer, which would be exactly what we would not want to happen to the timbered?

I truly hope there will be some discussion on the American Singer before we get back to the timbrado, and finally, the floreado.

Thank you so much in advance for the discussion we hope to get, I hope to be active for awhile again, before I get all these baby floreados! Thanks finally!



POSSIBLE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE SPANISH TIMBRADO TOURS AND EQUIVALENCES IN FOCDE (COM) AND FOE STANDARD (with maximum points in brackets)
ENGLISH
FOCDE (COM)
FOE
RINGS / DOOR BELL
TIMBRES (9)
TIMBRE METALICO (9)
ROLLED VARIATIONS
VARIACIONES RODADAS (18)
TIMBRE INTERMEDIO (6) TIMBRE PROFUNDO (13)
WATERY BELL
TIMBRE DE AGUA (9)
NOTA BATIDA (6)
JINGLE BELL
CASCABELEO (9)
CASCABELEO (12)
FLOURISHES
FLOREOS (27)
CHAU (6), PIAU (6)
SLOW FLOURISHES
FLOREOSLENTOS (27)
FLOREOSDE ADORNO (18)
CHURCH BELL
CAMPANA (9)
CAMPANA (6)
CLUCKS
CLOQUEOS (18)
CLOQUEOS (16)
CASTANET
CASTANUELA (9)
CASTANUELA (9)
JOINT VARIATIONS
VARIACIONESCONJUNTAS (27)
DUOS (14)
SLOW WATER
AGUA LENTA (18)

SEMICONNECTED WATER
AGUA SEMILIGADA (9)